generalsn Anonymous

The tobacco control advocates try to avoid any publicity about their activities. Page seven of their guidebook instructs them to "avoid ballot initiatives" See for yourself. http://www.no-smoke.org/pdf/CIA_Funda...

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snowboard9 Anonymous

I'm delighted to hear that Flower Mound is following the rest of the nation in eliminating smoke from public places. I can't wait for Dallas to finally invoke similar laws.

Cancerous tobacco smoke is a verifiable public hazard, it stinks and an irritant to eyes and lungs. Keeping it away from the public is common sense and an obligation where people gather.

While I agree that nicotine addicts are usually great alcohol consumers, restaurants and bars will continue to do well when those laws are applied universally. It has worked in virtually every small and major city. Addicts always managed to get their fix by going outside or better yet, learned to kick the habit.

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generalsn Anonymous

No big deal. Here in Chicago, a year into the ban, once the hoopla and novelty wear off, you would't even know it exists in many small neighborhood bars. It's fading into forgotten history, along with many other obscure long forgotten laws.

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chriss Anonymous

Snowboard9--Actually, most studies show almost no real danger from secondhand smoke. The antismoking lobby disregards these. If the tobacco smoke of others were really deadly, the Japanese, Germans and Greeks would be dropping like flies, instead of having longer life expectancies than us "lucky" citizens of the Uptight States of America. Smoking bans have not lead to a decrease in smoking, and in some places it has actually increased. Many businesses, especially tradtitional bars, are hurt as well, to say nothing of social life and the principle of personal freedom.
Also, you don't get to satisfy your need for someone to feel superior to by calling other people "addicts". If you're a whiny little wet blanket, try to keep it to yourself and you'll feel better about life.

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snowboard9 Anonymous

Chriss... Not sure where you find your research but regardless, "no real danger" is still not good enough for me. My non-smoking aunt dying from emphysema from her smoking (and dead) husband influences my opinions. I also lived through when smoking was permitted in planes - disgusting. Watching young adults inhale poison fumes at work also me. So, Chriss, my opinions are formed from real life experiences and not meant to "feel superior".

Good luck shutting me up with ".. you're a whiny little wet blanket, try to keep it to yourself ...blah blah.." It ain't gonna happen sweety. In fact, I think I'll send yet another letter to the mayor courtesy of Chrisssssss

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Dandeliongirl Anonymous

I live in Flower Mound and I knew nothing of the vote yet alone the consideration of banning all smoking in public places. This sounds like a Jerry Jones tactic that I'm still not over regarding serving alcohol at Texas Stadium. Jerry didn't let us know you couldn't bring your ice chests in or that you'd be searched and your bag of peanuts from home snatched away like you were a criminal or that he'd rape you over the price of beer. Sorry, I told you I'm not over it. Back to Flower Mound, I don't like smoking myself but all of us need the chance to vote even if we don't like the outcome.

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chriss Anonymous

I think using my "name" would constitute some sort of plagiarism. But go ahead. There have been studies (like the infamous EPA study) thrown out by a judge for its predetermined, cherry-picking approach. And there's another (gotta look it up) sponsored by antitobacco that was scrapped when it showed no relationship. Go to http://forces.org for details on this. Does your aunt's death certificate say her emphysema was the result of smoking??? Can you name anyone who has conclusively died of smoking?? Again, I give you the life expectancies of other countries. Your examples are all anecdotal. I too remember smoking on planes and favored non-smoking sections for those like you. I mistakenly thought that if I respected your wishes, you'd respect mine. Nice to know you're "protecting the youth". Ever stop to think that all the sanctimony makes smoking more attractive? A major problem we have here is the idea "I don't like something, so there should be a law against it." As a result we have a country where one is not allowed to do anything enjoyable because some sh!tbritches is offended.

Scott--make sure you tell Pavel to cite his studies, too!!!

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granny_beth Anonymous

I live in Austin and love this web site, as relatives live in your area. We have had a no smoking ordinance for a long time and it met with the same resistance when it was initiated. As one who is severely allergic to smoke in any form, I welcomed the ordinance. I always make this comment: Smoking is not a right, especially when it limits my ability to breathe, which most definitely is an innate right. I will be able to visit my only grandchild, who lives in the Flower Mound area, more often, now that I do not have to risk my health. By the way, I am a retired RN with 46 years experience, so I have seen it all. When you have watched many people die from the ravages of emphysema and lung cancer, it does not take a genius IQ to realize smoking kills.

Breathe free. Granny Beth

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chriss Anonymous

Granny--ya don't like smoke (there is no such thing as an allergy to tobacco smoke), don't go where people smoke. It's that simple.

Scott--I said certain studies had been defunded by antismoking groups because they didn't show sufficient correlation between smoke and disease.

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chriss Anonymous

Quote du jour:

"It would be essential to foster an atmosphere where it was percieved that active smokers would injure those around them, especially their family and any young children or infants who would be expose involuntarily to ETS."

Sir George Godber UN 3rd World Conference on Smoking and Health 1975

1975!!!!!!!!! Ten whole years before any "research" could be concocted to show a link between passive smoking and disease.

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